Comments on: The Judeo-Islamic handshake

by: mkm

Mon, 12 Feb 2007 23:25:34 +0000

I believe it is in “Presuppositional Argumentation,” and occurs at about 15:00 into it.

by: Tim H

Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:53:43 +0000

I’d like to listen to that– which lecture is it? Anyone?

by: mkm

Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:05:28 +0000

I just listened to a lecture by Bahnsen in which he references a debate with a Jew and a Moslem. He reported that one of his two opponents told the other to keep his hands of his children. Then, Bahnsen said, he told both of them to keep their hands off the children because they belong to Jehovah his (Bahnsen’s) God.
This is a striking similarity, yet very different. Explanation?

by: Fr John

Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:12:00 +0000

Excellent insight. Orthodox have long known that Jews and Turks are on the same side- the side of Satan. [John 8:44] That is why, with every post I write, I conclude with the Chuch’s ancient cry, “Dear Lord deliver us from the Pagan, the Turk and the Jew. Amen.” I do so, becuase it both defines the boundaries of Christendom, and puts ‘beyond the pale’ those for whom Christ did NOT die.
Europe once knew this, so did Christendom. And then forgot it. Restoration of Christendom… an idea whose time has come- again.

by: Tim H

Sat, 09 Dec 2006 20:09:31 +0000

My favorite line from the audio link given above (starting at 39″34):

When [a Jewish fund-raiser] comes to Tyler to collect money he spends more time with the East Texas Biblical Prophecy Forum people than with us, because (a) he gets more money from them, and (b) they are more supportive of Israel vocally than we would be; and so I said to him, “Don’t you have a problem?” He said, “look, you go where the money is.” And the money for the support of Israel happens to be with the Hagees and with the people here in Tyler and those kind of people. And so, from a fund-raising perspective, very practically that’s clearly where the federations are going to draw their money.

It’s refreshing to see the ultimate god of Money appealed to so ingenuously.

by: s. e. hoffmeister

Thu, 07 Dec 2006 00:10:26 +0000

hi tim ,
this is my late reply. As we spoke before over coffee or with pipes and wine, i do not see Hagee as a main line dispy. I mean, he usually does not rank up there with macA or Swindoll or jerimiah, or stanley; he is more off beat, sort of like robertson or van impee, so maybe the Jew take is that they may realize he is not so main line so they will not pay the respect he is seeking. That noted, I would like to say that these things are not new to me at least, in my past dispy experience i remember missionaries having trouble in Israel and the like, i think it has only been in the past umm 10 or so years that the Jews have figured that “if they (dispy and the like) want to send us money or support us politically then let them do our hard work and keep them at arm’s length” (or maybe pole’s) depending on who you are dealing with. I also remember in bible college the girl from the middle east saying “oh yes we have stones for the temple and such.” The most recent events where the cloning of the red heffer and finding some articles from the temple for worship. I agree that as you state that the jew and muslim will unite to drive off the christian then work on each other is amazing. Also when one or the other reeks havoc over there the daily paper theologs go crazy.
any way sorry over due reply, but sent as promised.

steve h.

by: Glenn Bater

Wed, 15 Nov 2006 15:04:08 +0000

This is an interesting topic, but I think we need a definition of the term “Christian”, particularly in regard to hypenations like “Judeo-Christian”. I would submit to you that there is no such thing as a Cristian Right or Christian Left, but there are groups and institutions, many of which contain folks who are in the body of Christ, who drag His name into their secular convictions or political agendas. Consider Judah in the last days before the Babylonian captivity: What righteous Jew, if given the chance, would have ever voted for a king as bad as Coniah, who the LORD judged along with his progeny? Our soverign God, however, was welcome to His own counsels, and used Jeconiah to glorify Himself, bring Judah into judgement, and give us the wonder of two separate geneaologies in the gospels. The LORD chose Jeconiah for the throne. Believers have to be careful when they want to mix the Lord up in their own political or social leanings. Our relationship with any of the unsaved should reflect our love for them, and our sympathy with them for the problems and tragedies that beset them… whether in Palestinian concentration camps, German concentration camps or Guantanimo. Until the Lord returns, the Kingdoms of this world belong to someone else other than the Lord jesus Christ, unfortunately. We need to keep that in mind. I am a citizen of this country and, as such, I vote. I have strong opinions. I know that there is not a single candidate, party, or philosophy that will ever be guaranteed to be sanctioned unreservedly by my Lord, so I will not drag His name into my preferences.

by: Tim H

Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:15:46 +0000

Alcuin– though the expression “hate the sin not the sinner” is false in certain contexts, here I think it has an application. I wd hazard the guess that the vast majority of Muslims are so in name only– they have “submitted” as the name implies, but at a more basic level are hospitable and thinking “live and let live.” There are ample opportunities for us to build bridges for evangelism; but for realpolitik in any case.

by: Alcuin

Wed, 08 Nov 2006 18:33:29 +0000

Only the Christian Faith is truly absolute in its Apostolic purity as taught in Holy Scripture. This is why all the “friends” of Christians can and often do become open enemies when this exclusivity rears its “ugly head.” Ultimately, everyone shares one tbing in common- Christians say that no one can be saved apart from Jesus Christ through faith.

The only disagreement I have with TJH in his blog is his labelling ‘unfair’ the attitude toward Islam by Christianity.

Perhaps Evang/Disp attitude is imbalanced as compared to Evang/Disp attitudes toward Judaics, but it is not unfair in its assessment of Islam. It is unfair in a proper conception of foreign policy toward Israel and Islamic states and in the contrast of respect domestically given to Jews and not to Muslims.

Islam is, at its essence, the worship of its own false piety enraged to bloodshedding against those who offer more overt profanations of YHWH and His only begotten Son, Jesus Christ.

Judaism and Islam are the most bitter enemies of Christianity historically, particularly if you identify Judaics with Totalitarian Communism in Europe, as seems historically justifiable.

Ecumenism and US foreign policy must be informed by this reality. They have not been for a long time and the world is in danger because of it.

by: JonathanB

Wed, 08 Nov 2006 17:14:05 +0000

Very interesting. I have heard the debate and when I heard the Jewish scholar say “just keep your hands off our children” I thought for sure that he was speaking to the Muslim. I will have to go back and listen again. Thanks for pointing this out.