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		<title>by: TJH</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-32553</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 04:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Josh -- I wd definitely recommend you dive right in to THS. The other two add a bit of richness in understanding Ransom and Feverstone, but not at all necessary. However, do add the other two to your reading list, as they are also very important in their own right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh &#8212; I wd definitely recommend you dive right in to THS. The other two add a bit of richness in understanding Ransom and Feverstone, but not at all necessary. However, do add the other two to your reading list, as they are also very important in their own right.
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		<title>by: Josh</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-32531</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 01:47:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>MRB/TJH: I have seen Lewis' That Hideous Strength recommended numerous times on your site which has inspired me to read it.  Would I get more out of it by reading the first two novels of the trilogy first or should I go straight to THS?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRB/TJH: I have seen Lewis&#8217; That Hideous Strength recommended numerous times on your site which has inspired me to read it.  Would I get more out of it by reading the first two novels of the trilogy first or should I go straight to THS?
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		<title>by: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-15071</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 19:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>As I mentioned in the original post, one of the best conspiracy books is Lewis', That Hideous Strength.  For those who have not read it or for those who wish to re-read it, note how Lewis develops the following themes.

The inner ring (&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.geocities.com/bigcslewisfan/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Here&lt;/a&gt; is an essay that Lewis wrote about the lure of being an insider.)
The role of skepticism
Distinction between science and scientism
Technology and nature
Science and the state
Knowledge and control
Relation between the occult and scientisim (esp. in the characters of Frost and Wither)
The "soft" sciences (sociology and the police state)
The nature of conspiracies
How to defeat conspiracies
The role of symbolism
The nature of mind control
Man as ruler of earth vs. man as ruler of the planets
Man and his relation with the beasts
The male and female archetypes
Physical and spiritual realms

Lewis also explores the theme of "news" and propaganda in the novel.  In a letter he confessed, "I never read the papers.  Why does anyone?  They're nearly all lies, and one has to wade thru' such reams of verbiage and "write up" to find out even what they're saying."  This was written in the golden age of newspapers.  Just image what Lewis would have thought about Fox News.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I mentioned in the original post, one of the best conspiracy books is Lewis&#8217;, That Hideous Strength.  For those who have not read it or for those who wish to re-read it, note how Lewis develops the following themes.</p>
<p>The inner ring (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.geocities.com/bigcslewisfan/" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is an essay that Lewis wrote about the lure of being an insider.)<br />
The role of skepticism<br />
Distinction between science and scientism<br />
Technology and nature<br />
Science and the state<br />
Knowledge and control<br />
Relation between the occult and scientisim (esp. in the characters of Frost and Wither)<br />
The &#8220;soft&#8221; sciences (sociology and the police state)<br />
The nature of conspiracies<br />
How to defeat conspiracies<br />
The role of symbolism<br />
The nature of mind control<br />
Man as ruler of earth vs. man as ruler of the planets<br />
Man and his relation with the beasts<br />
The male and female archetypes<br />
Physical and spiritual realms</p>
<p>Lewis also explores the theme of &#8220;news&#8221; and propaganda in the novel.  In a letter he confessed, &#8220;I never read the papers.  Why does anyone?  They&#8217;re nearly all lies, and one has to wade thru&#8217; such reams of verbiage and &#8220;write up&#8221; to find out even what they&#8217;re saying.&#8221;  This was written in the golden age of newspapers.  Just image what Lewis would have thought about Fox News.
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		<title>by: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-3895</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 21:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>TF -

False dichotomy.  It is because we believe the gospel that we reject the modern warfare state.  The false gospel is seen in many different ways.  Many Christians have identified Christianity with American foriegn policy, esp. in the Middle East.  Such grotesque error sullies our holy religion.

And be patient about specific errors relating to the gospel.  My colleague has launched a series on the Holy Catholic Church in which he is laying the groundwork for exposing the sham of many wannabe churches.  These "churches" almost always are engaged at some level in undermining the gospel of Christ.</description>
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<p>False dichotomy.  It is because we believe the gospel that we reject the modern warfare state.  The false gospel is seen in many different ways.  Many Christians have identified Christianity with American foriegn policy, esp. in the Middle East.  Such grotesque error sullies our holy religion.</p>
<p>And be patient about specific errors relating to the gospel.  My colleague has launched a series on the Holy Catholic Church in which he is laying the groundwork for exposing the sham of many wannabe churches.  These &#8220;churches&#8221; almost always are engaged at some level in undermining the gospel of Christ.
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		<title>by: Kevin Weeks</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-3776</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 01:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You have to watch people and there agendas.  In everyday life people have self interests.  The word conspiracy in itself you might as well just say its crazy.  Basically the propagandists and there minions will use that to discredit the validity of things that are very true.  

A true thief with no self control would jump in on that immediately.  Especially if he had interests similar to the Masonic power structure. These people that benefit from masonry are wormy sorts and participate in things frequently as they are protecting there own self interests.  Make no mistake they are very deceptive and clever how they go about things.  They will even play all sides.  I am very tired of their lies.  

Hitler threw the masons out of power who were installed after WW1 it is published fact.  Hitler hated corruption,  Masonry is corrupt.  They hate him to this day for it.  The Masonic of the G8 countries.  They did there best to make sure Germany never came back again. 

 I for one believe that Germany will be back.  Run by the honest hard working people of that land.  I very much look forward to that day.  Until then it will be run by people as corrupt as the Masonic governments of the G8 stealing and spreading the spoils to their friends and lying their faces off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to watch people and there agendas.  In everyday life people have self interests.  The word conspiracy in itself you might as well just say its crazy.  Basically the propagandists and there minions will use that to discredit the validity of things that are very true.  </p>
<p>A true thief with no self control would jump in on that immediately.  Especially if he had interests similar to the Masonic power structure. These people that benefit from masonry are wormy sorts and participate in things frequently as they are protecting there own self interests.  Make no mistake they are very deceptive and clever how they go about things.  They will even play all sides.  I am very tired of their lies.  </p>
<p>Hitler threw the masons out of power who were installed after WW1 it is published fact.  Hitler hated corruption,  Masonry is corrupt.  They hate him to this day for it.  The Masonic of the G8 countries.  They did there best to make sure Germany never came back again. </p>
<p> I for one believe that Germany will be back.  Run by the honest hard working people of that land.  I very much look forward to that day.  Until then it will be run by people as corrupt as the Masonic governments of the G8 stealing and spreading the spoils to their friends and lying their faces off.
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		<title>by: TurretinFan</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-3770</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What's interesting to me is that people are so worried about the budget and the war, while every day a false gospel of "Jesus Loves You" is passed off as Christianity.

Now that is a conspiracy worth decloaking.  The other conspiracies (if they even exist outside the minds of the theorists) are relatively insignificant.

-Turretinfan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s interesting to me is that people are so worried about the budget and the war, while every day a false gospel of &#8220;Jesus Loves You&#8221; is passed off as Christianity.</p>
<p>Now that is a conspiracy worth decloaking.  The other conspiracies (if they even exist outside the minds of the theorists) are relatively insignificant.</p>
<p>-Turretinfan
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		<title>by: George Roy</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-3709</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That is a very astute statement Doug.  Those of us that suffer from all the lying I would guess are the best observers of all the hi-jinks.  My question to all that read would be this.  Why do they all line up on this one issue, Israel?  Does not matter if Christian right.  Far left all are together on this with absolutely no descent that I have ever heard of anyway.  Except on the false issue of dividing the land which is thrown out for the biblically stupid and of course they jump right in.   Jesus I guess never really gave a darn if they divided the land.  

Where his statement is astute is this.  Why all the support?  Why all the seamless support.  I have never seen that in Washington on to many things.  They seem to want to keep this one issue this way for some reason.  I consider politics nothing but witchcraft myself and manipulation of people.  

Which brings me to this point.  There is much more to this than meets the eye.  More hidden than one would care to guess.  It is up to the smart to look for the underpinnings of what’s taking place of course.  Big bankers true.  You could change that to the super rich and have pretty much the same thing.  That again would be the very top.  Then you have freemasonry and the G8 countries where there news is virtually all the same and the governments run in the same manner which sucks tax money out of the populace hands it to the super rich in the form of government contracts, military social and more.  Then they print the money lend it to the government which pays for the contracts they can get and then they earn ridiculous interest on it.  Freemasonry being the organization of the government which is the pay out for all the politicians and supporters.  Meanwhile the populace is kept wound up with social issues while all the thieving takes place.  Also with silly things like some playboy bunnies death while a 28 trillion dollar budget is being allocated without barely a word.  So guess who owns the network stations.  I would think the super rich wouldn’t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a very astute statement Doug.  Those of us that suffer from all the lying I would guess are the best observers of all the hi-jinks.  My question to all that read would be this.  Why do they all line up on this one issue, Israel?  Does not matter if Christian right.  Far left all are together on this with absolutely no descent that I have ever heard of anyway.  Except on the false issue of dividing the land which is thrown out for the biblically stupid and of course they jump right in.   Jesus I guess never really gave a darn if they divided the land.  </p>
<p>Where his statement is astute is this.  Why all the support?  Why all the seamless support.  I have never seen that in Washington on to many things.  They seem to want to keep this one issue this way for some reason.  I consider politics nothing but witchcraft myself and manipulation of people.  </p>
<p>Which brings me to this point.  There is much more to this than meets the eye.  More hidden than one would care to guess.  It is up to the smart to look for the underpinnings of what’s taking place of course.  Big bankers true.  You could change that to the super rich and have pretty much the same thing.  That again would be the very top.  Then you have freemasonry and the G8 countries where there news is virtually all the same and the governments run in the same manner which sucks tax money out of the populace hands it to the super rich in the form of government contracts, military social and more.  Then they print the money lend it to the government which pays for the contracts they can get and then they earn ridiculous interest on it.  Freemasonry being the organization of the government which is the pay out for all the politicians and supporters.  Meanwhile the populace is kept wound up with social issues while all the thieving takes place.  Also with silly things like some playboy bunnies death while a 28 trillion dollar budget is being allocated without barely a word.  So guess who owns the network stations.  I would think the super rich wouldn’t you?
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		<title>by: Doug Wood</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-3671</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 15:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I would like to echo MRB's acclaim for "That Hideous Strength" by allowing the inimitable Fairy Hardcastle to have her say:  "Isn't it absolutely essential to keep a fierce Left and a fierce Right, both on their toes and each terrified of the other?  That's how we get things done.  Any opposition to the N.I.C.E.[National Institute for Controlled Experiments] is represented as a Left racket in the Right papers and a Right racket in the Left papers.  It it's properly done, you get each side outbidding the other in support of us-to refute the enemy slanders.  Of course we're non-political.  The real power always is."  That Hideous Strength, C.S. Lewis, p. 97.

This principle has a host of applications in the contemporary scene, but one that comes to mind is Israel.  Any criticism of the master State is deemed incipient Nazism by the Left and naive bleeding-heart pacifism by the Right.  And if you calmly note that Central banksters are the ones who really profit from our wars you are labeled a "conspiracy theorist" by both sides.  End of conversation.

The modern political scene should remind one of nothing so much as professional wrestling.  Like the reporter doing a story on Hulk Hogan who famously wandered into the locker room looking for the merciless behemoth only to find him having a smoke and a chat with his arch-nemesis the Iron Sheik, the American populace, especially the "Christian Right," is in for a surprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to echo MRB&#8217;s acclaim for &#8220;That Hideous Strength&#8221; by allowing the inimitable Fairy Hardcastle to have her say:  &#8220;Isn&#8217;t it absolutely essential to keep a fierce Left and a fierce Right, both on their toes and each terrified of the other?  That&#8217;s how we get things done.  Any opposition to the N.I.C.E.[National Institute for Controlled Experiments] is represented as a Left racket in the Right papers and a Right racket in the Left papers.  It it&#8217;s properly done, you get each side outbidding the other in support of us-to refute the enemy slanders.  Of course we&#8217;re non-political.  The real power always is.&#8221;  That Hideous Strength, C.S. Lewis, p. 97.</p>
<p>This principle has a host of applications in the contemporary scene, but one that comes to mind is Israel.  Any criticism of the master State is deemed incipient Nazism by the Left and naive bleeding-heart pacifism by the Right.  And if you calmly note that Central banksters are the ones who really profit from our wars you are labeled a &#8220;conspiracy theorist&#8221; by both sides.  End of conversation.</p>
<p>The modern political scene should remind one of nothing so much as professional wrestling.  Like the reporter doing a story on Hulk Hogan who famously wandered into the locker room looking for the merciless behemoth only to find him having a smoke and a chat with his arch-nemesis the Iron Sheik, the American populace, especially the &#8220;Christian Right,&#8221; is in for a surprise.
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		<title>by: Allan Porter</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-2859</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree entirely.  If that man up there added.  He could figure out that 3 dollar a gallon gas muliplyed by everyone having to fill up at least twice a week at the cost of say $65 a week far outstrips what Bill Gates ever dreamed of selling including Microsoft.  He must not be a very good businessman.  Most people know that the Corporate Heads say oh Exxon and Chevron GE and the like are nothing but front men for the people that truly own those companies.  It would be nice if the unsophisticated held their comments to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree entirely.  If that man up there added.  He could figure out that 3 dollar a gallon gas muliplyed by everyone having to fill up at least twice a week at the cost of say $65 a week far outstrips what Bill Gates ever dreamed of selling including Microsoft.  He must not be a very good businessman.  Most people know that the Corporate Heads say oh Exxon and Chevron GE and the like are nothing but front men for the people that truly own those companies.  It would be nice if the unsophisticated held their comments to themselves.
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		<title>by: Jim Marcus</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/181#comment-2858</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:35:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think what the man was trying to say.  I agree with almost everything he said.  That Freemasonry basically is about money.  Not about some religion.  I have had experinces with Masonry.  I have lost several contracts to their members and am suspicious of how that worked.  So have several of my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what the man was trying to say.  I agree with almost everything he said.  That Freemasonry basically is about money.  Not about some religion.  I have had experinces with Masonry.  I have lost several contracts to their members and am suspicious of how that worked.  So have several of my friends.
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