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	<title>Comments on: Wotan vs Mormonism&#8217;s god</title>
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	<description>How can you have the last word if you haven't heard the first?</description>
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		<title>By: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/217/comment-page-1#comment-11549</link>
		<dc:creator>MRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jul 2007 05:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know many young apologists who spend hours upon hours studying up on Mormonism.  Good news.  You need not waste your precious time any more.  &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dscqcNOGM&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; six minute cartoon contains all you need to know about the cult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know many young apologists who spend hours upon hours studying up on Mormonism.  Good news.  You need not waste your precious time any more.  <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5dscqcNOGM" rel="nofollow">This</a> six minute cartoon contains all you need to know about the cult.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim H</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/217/comment-page-1#comment-7622</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 17:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yikes, you&#039;re right. When I wrote this, I was flashing on Albrecht of Mainz, which is transliterated &lt;i&gt;Albert&lt;/i&gt;, but I was misremembering it as &quot;Alberich of Mainz.&quot; Will fix.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, you&#8217;re right. When I wrote this, I was flashing on Albrecht of Mainz, which is transliterated <i>Albert</i>, but I was misremembering it as &#8220;Alberich of Mainz.&#8221; Will fix.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr John</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/217/comment-page-1#comment-7606</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2007 12:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The dwarf is named &quot;Alberich,&quot; not Albert. As if he were some English laddie, and not a Teutonic dwarf!

Having been to &#039;Wahnfried&#039;, Wager&#039;s home in Bayreuth, I can attest to the far superior intellect of Wagner to Jos. Smith, Jr. Wagner&#039;s personal library is on three sides of the central room, or &#039;recital hall&#039; and there are morocco-bound copies of Rousseau, Diderot, Architecture, Music, Philosophy, etc. lining the shelves. No intellectual slouch, he!

Wagner&#039;s &quot;Gesamtkunstwerk&quot; was his desire to re-birth the foundations of Western-Aryan Drama for the twentieth century, much as the Florentine Camerata did in the sixteenth, with the Orpheus legend, and the Operas of Caccini and Monteverdi.
But, as E. Michael Jones ALMOST makes believable, [&#039;Dionysos Rising&#039;] his concept of himself as an &#039;artist&#039; whose morals were not bound to God&#039;s Law in the Christian West, came through in his art, most specifically in &quot;Tristan and Isolde,&quot; where lust (&#039;love&#039;) is more important than marriage- &#039;arranged&#039; or otherwise! (and NO ONE remembers King Mark, after all!)

Wagner&#039;s corpus of work cannot but be grounded in the West, even if his choice of matter in the Ring is from its furthest edges- or is it? As &lt;a href=&quot;http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep2vinc2.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vinci has recently noted&lt;/a&gt;, it seems ALL of the West&#039;s culture, is derived from those &quot;Aryan&quot; types the children of the Antichrist (John 8:44) seem to &#039;hate&#039; with an &#039;everlasting hatred&#039;- and we must never forget that it was Christ whom THEY crucified, not Wotan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dwarf is named &#8220;Alberich,&#8221; not Albert. As if he were some English laddie, and not a Teutonic dwarf!</p>
<p>Having been to &#8216;Wahnfried&#8217;, Wager&#8217;s home in Bayreuth, I can attest to the far superior intellect of Wagner to Jos. Smith, Jr. Wagner&#8217;s personal library is on three sides of the central room, or &#8216;recital hall&#8217; and there are morocco-bound copies of Rousseau, Diderot, Architecture, Music, Philosophy, etc. lining the shelves. No intellectual slouch, he!</p>
<p>Wagner&#8217;s &#8220;Gesamtkunstwerk&#8221; was his desire to re-birth the foundations of Western-Aryan Drama for the twentieth century, much as the Florentine Camerata did in the sixteenth, with the Orpheus legend, and the Operas of Caccini and Monteverdi.<br />
But, as E. Michael Jones ALMOST makes believable, ['Dionysos Rising'] his concept of himself as an &#8216;artist&#8217; whose morals were not bound to God&#8217;s Law in the Christian West, came through in his art, most specifically in &#8220;Tristan and Isolde,&#8221; where lust (&#8216;love&#8217;) is more important than marriage- &#8216;arranged&#8217; or otherwise! (and NO ONE remembers King Mark, after all!)</p>
<p>Wagner&#8217;s corpus of work cannot but be grounded in the West, even if his choice of matter in the Ring is from its furthest edges- or is it? As <a href="http://itis.volta.alessandria.it/episteme/ep2vinc2.htm" rel="nofollow">Vinci has recently noted</a>, it seems ALL of the West&#8217;s culture, is derived from those &#8220;Aryan&#8221; types the children of the Antichrist (John 8:44) seem to &#8216;hate&#8217; with an &#8216;everlasting hatred&#8217;- and we must never forget that it was Christ whom THEY crucified, not Wotan!</p>
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		<title>By: steve hoffmeister</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/217/comment-page-1#comment-5818</link>
		<dc:creator>steve hoffmeister</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi tim,

as to your post i think in simplistic terms Wagner just knows how to write a better story. I think this comes out in your observation of likeness to the &quot;Truth&quot; point. Smith does not write particularly well and his works are irksome to read through, because he is trying to subvert truth. One interesting point in his works he speaks of regions in North America but gives no maps or even basic drawings, landmarks. As to Mikes post i have seen in Blockbuster the &quot;Book Of Mormon&quot; on the shelf , not sure if it was they who produce it or not. There was one other i did see and it was on the life of the Smith Brothers and the founding of the Mormon cult. This video is again relaying all the mistruths of earlier versions of the Mormon story that have been debunked time and again. It is also funny seeing all those in the video that may be &quot;religious&quot; cast in dark dirty clothes, swaring, drinking while the Smith brothers are shown to be almost saint like, bright clean clothes( or well dressed if you like) always pious and upright, never drinking ,swearing and the like, hard working was another trait in the movie. If i remember the title i will reply back later.
steve hoffmeister</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi tim,</p>
<p>as to your post i think in simplistic terms Wagner just knows how to write a better story. I think this comes out in your observation of likeness to the &#8220;Truth&#8221; point. Smith does not write particularly well and his works are irksome to read through, because he is trying to subvert truth. One interesting point in his works he speaks of regions in North America but gives no maps or even basic drawings, landmarks. As to Mikes post i have seen in Blockbuster the &#8220;Book Of Mormon&#8221; on the shelf , not sure if it was they who produce it or not. There was one other i did see and it was on the life of the Smith Brothers and the founding of the Mormon cult. This video is again relaying all the mistruths of earlier versions of the Mormon story that have been debunked time and again. It is also funny seeing all those in the video that may be &#8220;religious&#8221; cast in dark dirty clothes, swaring, drinking while the Smith brothers are shown to be almost saint like, bright clean clothes( or well dressed if you like) always pious and upright, never drinking ,swearing and the like, hard working was another trait in the movie. If i remember the title i will reply back later.<br />
steve hoffmeister</p>
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		<title>By: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/217/comment-page-1#comment-5689</link>
		<dc:creator>MRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 02:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  Another difference that is striking is how the characters approach sexuality and progeny.  For the Mormon cult, these things are ends in themselves.  For Wagner&#039;s interpretation of the Norse mythology, these things are basic and, indeed, of highest importance.  But they also provide the occasion for reflection on the meaning of human existence. 

When listening to Wagner or even reading his librettos, one immediately recognizes that important questions are being asked.  And though most are left unanswered, there is reward in the struggle.  When reading the Book of Mormon (I tried once but couldn&#039;t finish it) there is nothing to sink your teeth into.  I wonder why Hollywood has not made a movie out of it yet.  All the ingredients for a blockbuster are there: action, adventure, strange creatures, wooden characters, a general want of humanity, and bargain basement philosophy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  Another difference that is striking is how the characters approach sexuality and progeny.  For the Mormon cult, these things are ends in themselves.  For Wagner&#8217;s interpretation of the Norse mythology, these things are basic and, indeed, of highest importance.  But they also provide the occasion for reflection on the meaning of human existence. </p>
<p>When listening to Wagner or even reading his librettos, one immediately recognizes that important questions are being asked.  And though most are left unanswered, there is reward in the struggle.  When reading the Book of Mormon (I tried once but couldn&#8217;t finish it) there is nothing to sink your teeth into.  I wonder why Hollywood has not made a movie out of it yet.  All the ingredients for a blockbuster are there: action, adventure, strange creatures, wooden characters, a general want of humanity, and bargain basement philosophy.</p>
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