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	<title>Comments on: The Cross and the Sword</title>
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	<description>How can you have the last word if you haven't heard the first?</description>
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		<title>by: Tim H</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-6155</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 20:01:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's as if when a Christian becomes a neo-con, his thinking inexorably becomes dark, tricky, full of guile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s as if when a Christian becomes a neo-con, his thinking inexorably becomes dark, tricky, full of guile.
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		<title>by: Tim H</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-6154</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 18:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good catch. The "6 million" quote can be found &lt;a href="http://www.andrewsandlin.net/?p=495" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good catch. The &#8220;6 million&#8221; quote can be found <a href="http://www.andrewsandlin.net/?p=495" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
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		<title>by: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-6134</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 07:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doug -

What struck me about your quote (#1) is the Kabbalistic 6 million figure.  Why not 4 or 5 or 7 million?

The obvious reason is that he wants to subliminally link &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://butler-harris.org/archives/73" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Islamo-fascism"&lt;/a&gt; with the Nazis and the Holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug -</p>
<p>What struck me about your quote (#1) is the Kabbalistic 6 million figure.  Why not 4 or 5 or 7 million?</p>
<p>The obvious reason is that he wants to subliminally link <a rel="nofollow" href="http://butler-harris.org/archives/73" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Islamo-fascism&#8221;</a> with the Nazis and the Holocaust.
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		<title>by: Candyman</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-6123</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 17:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jimmy, I believe it is &lt;a href="http://www.christianculture.com/cgi-local/npublisher/viewnews.cgi?category=3&#38;id=1175019551" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jimmy, I believe it is <a href="http://www.christianculture.com/cgi-local/npublisher/viewnews.cgi?category=3&amp;id=1175019551" rel="nofollow">here</a>.
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		<title>by: Jimmy LI</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-6120</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 16:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>WHere can I find this quote originally?</description>
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		<title>by: Tim H</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-5976</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Apr 2007 00:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Doug -- I'm not sure this has anything to do with "theonomy" and I'm not signing up for any label, but I follow your point.

&lt;em&gt;All&lt;/em&gt; Christians had better have a just war theory. We've discussed this at length already.

And &lt;em&gt;everyone&lt;/em&gt; has a conspiracy theory about the Eleven. It's only a question of &lt;em&gt;which&lt;/em&gt; conspiracy theory.

The key to becoming motivated to examine the Eleven is to ask, who were the winners?

That the Eleven creates a new paradigm for undoing Just War theory is itself an idea that the neo-cons have fobbed off on us. Consider the great coke-bottle scare a couple years later in London. They may have actually over-played their hand on that one. Notice they don't talk about it any more.

For, &lt;em&gt;if everyone holding a bottle of water or baby food is potentially a bomber, then not even a police state will suffice to keep us safe&lt;/em&gt;. I think they learned from that incident that they need to keep us terrified, but not so terrified that we see that they too are useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8212; I&#8217;m not sure this has anything to do with &#8220;theonomy&#8221; and I&#8217;m not signing up for any label, but I follow your point.</p>
<p><em>All</em> Christians had better have a just war theory. We&#8217;ve discussed this at length already.</p>
<p>And <em>everyone</em> has a conspiracy theory about the Eleven. It&#8217;s only a question of <em>which</em> conspiracy theory.</p>
<p>The key to becoming motivated to examine the Eleven is to ask, who were the winners?</p>
<p>That the Eleven creates a new paradigm for undoing Just War theory is itself an idea that the neo-cons have fobbed off on us. Consider the great coke-bottle scare a couple years later in London. They may have actually over-played their hand on that one. Notice they don&#8217;t talk about it any more.</p>
<p>For, <em>if everyone holding a bottle of water or baby food is potentially a bomber, then not even a police state will suffice to keep us safe</em>. I think they learned from that incident that they need to keep us terrified, but not so terrified that we see that they too are useless.
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		<title>by: Doug Wood</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/218#comment-5969</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Apr 2007 17:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Having gone to the "Kultur leader's" web page from whence said quote came, I noticed this quote supporting his Neocon views:

"In a post-9-11 world, I simply cannot endorse the paleo-con option, as much as I can respect those who hold it. As the threats change, our manner of dealing with must(sic) change, too.

Waiting for military retaliation until a suitcase of biological agents wipes out 6 million U. S. citizens in an urban area is not my idea of just war theory."

Arguments about Just War theory, as important as they are, or should be, for theonomists, never seem to get any traction with Christians in general because that theory was developed in a "pre-9/11 world." As such they will invariably be deem antiquated, and preemption will be the only reasonable way to be defensive. If it is discovered that we theonomists hold "conspiracy" views, our arguments about how Christ's kingdom is properly advanced will quickly be discounted. This leads me to conclude that the crying need of the hour is exposing the false flag operation perpetrated on our country on 9/11. No Christian will support the ongoing carnage once he &lt;a href="http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/1850/Chuck_Baldwin" rel="nofollow"&gt;sees how he has been duped&lt;/a&gt; into supporting a phony war on terror.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having gone to the &#8220;Kultur leader&#8217;s&#8221; web page from whence said quote came, I noticed this quote supporting his Neocon views:</p>
<p>&#8220;In a post-9-11 world, I simply cannot endorse the paleo-con option, as much as I can respect those who hold it. As the threats change, our manner of dealing with must(sic) change, too.</p>
<p>Waiting for military retaliation until a suitcase of biological agents wipes out 6 million U. S. citizens in an urban area is not my idea of just war theory.&#8221;</p>
<p>Arguments about Just War theory, as important as they are, or should be, for theonomists, never seem to get any traction with Christians in general because that theory was developed in a &#8220;pre-9/11 world.&#8221; As such they will invariably be deem antiquated, and preemption will be the only reasonable way to be defensive. If it is discovered that we theonomists hold &#8220;conspiracy&#8221; views, our arguments about how Christ&#8217;s kingdom is properly advanced will quickly be discounted. This leads me to conclude that the crying need of the hour is exposing the false flag operation perpetrated on our country on 9/11. No Christian will support the ongoing carnage once he <a href="http://www.christianworldviewnetwork.com/article.php/1850/Chuck_Baldwin" rel="nofollow">sees how he has been duped</a> into supporting a phony war on terror.
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