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	<title>Comments on: Two clichés on immigration</title>
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	<description>How can you have the last word if you haven't heard the first?</description>
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		<title>by: TJH</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/239#comment-10306</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 11:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mr Kitchens -- you make a very important point. Those that defend immigration on the basis of "free market" leave out the fact that that transaction involving immigrant labor is not brought about merely by the terms of a private contract involving two parties; in effect, the American worker is not only edged out of a job, but forced to subsidize the real (as opposed to nominal) labor cost of his immigrant replacement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Kitchens &#8212; you make a very important point. Those that defend immigration on the basis of &#8220;free market&#8221; leave out the fact that that transaction involving immigrant labor is not brought about merely by the terms of a private contract involving two parties; in effect, the American worker is not only edged out of a job, but forced to subsidize the real (as opposed to nominal) labor cost of his immigrant replacement.
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		<title>by: ElizaF</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/239#comment-10264</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 15:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, given our horrendous sins, why do we presume to ask God to bless us? And why do we expect good things always?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, given our horrendous sins, why do we presume to ask God to bless us? And why do we expect good things always?
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		<title>by: KKitchens</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/239#comment-10262</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://butler-harris.org/archives/239#comment-10262</guid>
					<description>In regard to your 2nd cliche, I don't know how anyone could disagree. 

A Libertarian view of the immigration issue would go as follows: People can be viewed as consumers or producers.  If they're required to produce to live, people are then looked at as an asset rather than a liability. 

If on the other hand people are strictly or mostly consumers, that is, they detract from the prospertity of society because they consume what others produce by using the force and power of government to acquire what they should be acquiring by being producers, then people are viewed as a liability.

Because of our entitlement society that of course is the boat that we're in. Each illegal immigrant household pays about $10,000 annually in taxes, but consumes over $30,000 year in taxpayer funded benefits, in such things as Medicare, food stamps, housing, social services, medical care, and public education. The price for "cheap foreign labor" is a two trillion debt for the American worker.

On another note, we have been aborting about 1.5 million babies a year since 1973. These aborted babies would have been entering the workforce in 1994, 13 years ago. This means we currently have about 20 million missing individuals who today would be productive citizens. It is perhaps no accident that this number matches the estimated total of our current illegal alien population. We have been systematically aborting our future as a nation, and it's finally catching up with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regard to your 2nd cliche, I don&#8217;t know how anyone could disagree. </p>
<p>A Libertarian view of the immigration issue would go as follows: People can be viewed as consumers or producers.  If they&#8217;re required to produce to live, people are then looked at as an asset rather than a liability. </p>
<p>If on the other hand people are strictly or mostly consumers, that is, they detract from the prospertity of society because they consume what others produce by using the force and power of government to acquire what they should be acquiring by being producers, then people are viewed as a liability.</p>
<p>Because of our entitlement society that of course is the boat that we&#8217;re in. Each illegal immigrant household pays about $10,000 annually in taxes, but consumes over $30,000 year in taxpayer funded benefits, in such things as Medicare, food stamps, housing, social services, medical care, and public education. The price for &#8220;cheap foreign labor&#8221; is a two trillion debt for the American worker.</p>
<p>On another note, we have been aborting about 1.5 million babies a year since 1973. These aborted babies would have been entering the workforce in 1994, 13 years ago. This means we currently have about 20 million missing individuals who today would be productive citizens. It is perhaps no accident that this number matches the estimated total of our current illegal alien population. We have been systematically aborting our future as a nation, and it&#8217;s finally catching up with us.
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