Comments on: Ben-Expelled

by: Ron

Fri, 16 May 2008 17:15:28 +0000

Tim, I thought I was reading Mike. Great job on the critique of autonomous apologetics.

Ron

by: Fr. John

Fri, 16 May 2008 11:09:40 +0000

Excellent article, and post-comment commentary.

“Hebishkeitsreich.” Love it. Exactly.

What this movie does, however feebly, is to make sillier the Yid claim to ‘chosenite’ status, or to dredge up (yet again- OY!) the specter of the ‘hollow hoax.’ When dual-national rabbi’s son Chertoff is making apostolic Christianity and its’ profession a ‘hate crime’ in the USA, you KNOW their days are numbered, even if only to make the blood of [possible] martyrs the seed of the [always] conquering Church, for ‘He shall bruise their [collective, racial] head.’ [Gen. 3:15, John 8:44]

Christus Vivat!
Christus Regnat!
Christus Imperator!

by: TJH

Thu, 15 May 2008 18:55:36 +0000

Excellent! Chris came through, as I shd have expected.

by: Joshua L.

Thu, 15 May 2008 16:05:03 +0000

Tim, I think your claim is somewhat exaggerated. See this: http://www.chalcedon.edu/blog/2008/04/expelled-movie.php

It’s just a blog post, not a critique, but it seems to contradict the claim that Chalcedon is “falling in line.”

That said, more critiques along the same lines as yours are needed. The fact that Christ and biblical creationism are discounted and declared unacceptable should make us hesitant to become cheerleaders for the film.

by: TJH

Thu, 15 May 2008 14:47:07 +0000

It’s amazing to me that even the leading vantillians have taken the bait on this movie. American Vision fell into line, and even Rushdoony’s Chalcedon Foundation. A google search does not present any exceptions, at least at my level of search ability. If anyone finds a serious presuppositional critique of the film, please post a link.

by: TJH

Thu, 15 May 2008 01:29:35 +0000

Mo (#6) — I’m not limiting the hebishkeitsreich to “Orthodoxy” nor am I interested in how just that particularly odious sect would benefit. I’m speaking of the entire tribe, which exhibits amazing mutual loyalty whether religious or atheist. How controlling both sides of a debate is beneficial should be obvious. Imagine, for example if Christians controlled all the major media, and our “Fox” was arguing that homosexuals should be executed, while our “CBS” was arguing that no, they should only be exiled. Heads we win, tails you lose.

No, I have no spidey sense at all that Hagey is hebish. He is just a race-traitor and Christian apostate, undoubtedly driven by subliminal sin such as vanity or avarice that only God knows.

by: McJ

Wed, 14 May 2008 17:09:37 +0000

The “alien” line of thought is something of a white rabbit. God is other-worldly, and thus could be considered an “alien”. You could argue that in an American context “alien” means little green men, but that’s not what scientists mean when they use the word. I’m somewhat surprised that they do entertain the thought, though, since it is unlikely that you could ever disprove the existence of this “alien seeding” event. [This supposedly is the reason an atheist scientist would throw out the idea of God right off the bat. Why not do the same for aliens?]

As far as the Holocaust goes, the impact on general audiences would have been the same with any example of mass-murder. In modern popular knowledge the Holocaust is just an easy thing to use as an example since everyone, regardless of how they perceive it, knows what it is supposed to refer to. As I told a friend, though, you won’t convince very many scientists to change their ways by comparing them to mass-murderers.

With that in mind, it is clear to me that this movie was created to cement the beliefs of people who already feel that ID has been tossed out without merit. I’d love to see a real documentary that was aimed at changing the minds of scientists themselves some day.

~McJ~

by: Mo

Wed, 14 May 2008 16:44:59 +0000

I would be interested in hearing your take on how it benefits Jewish Orthodoxy to take up both sides, that being the Holy Land is to be theirs now and that it isn’t but rather they are in exile by God, that they ought to co-exist in peace with Iran and their surrounding Arab friends and that they ought to do them in and turn them out, that the Holocaust or Holocaust rhetoric was a Zionist conspiracy and that it wasn’t. When the anti-Zionist Rabbis are interviewed they are generally attacked even by non-Jews. Are religious Jews that organized and clandestine such that taking up both sides is a unified and systemized effort? On another note I saw Hagee call down the wrath of God upon Americans and American politicians for contemplating the division of Israel? I hear this kind of stuff on the Liberty University radio programs. Are people like Hagee serious about this stuff or are they consciously abusing the scriptures in order to bring about their various political ends? Hagee supports an “American-Israel pre-emptive military strike on Iran and teaches that the Jews have continuing favor with God by the election of grace, and as a people of the covenant do not require belief in Jesus Christ for their salvation” – What is going on? Are Hagee and his minions simply secret Jewish errand boys? I look forward to your reply.

by: TJH

Wed, 14 May 2008 15:30:07 +0000

Mo — there is a whole encampment of alleged anti-zionist Orthodox in NY somewhere; there is Tikkun; etc. Part of the danger of the hebishkeitsreich is their knack for controlling BOTH sides of debate.

by: Mo

Tue, 13 May 2008 18:38:55 +0000

I searched for some information regarding the religious affiliation of Ben Stein but failed to find anything. Does he say anything about it in his movie? Are you familiar with the Orthodox Jews against Zionism and their views regarding Israel and the Holocaust?