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	<title>Comments on: Google, Shmoogle, Joogle</title>
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	<description>How can you have the last word if you haven't heard the first?</description>
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		<title>by: Doug</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-33256</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Let me tell you my experience of how I found this web site. I found the Texe Marrs article about Alexander Solzhenitsyn's book "Together for Two Hundred Years". I thought it strange that I never heard of this book by this world famous author.

So I put in Google "Together for Two Hundred Years" in quotes. I received a grand total of 20 results. About 5 were actual references of the book - like the BBC web site. The rest were accidental finds of the phrase. There were no anti-Jewish sites listed.

I still thought it strange that this was all the references in the entire world, so I went to Yahoo search and tried the same thing. There were 266 results, with no shortage of anti-Jewish sites. Yahoo also gave the helpful suggestion to search for "aleksandr solzhenitsyn together for two hundred years". Your site was number 15 on the list.

Besides, if you search on Google containing the word "Jew" you get back this page:
http://www.google.com/explanation.html

Google is definitely filtering anti-Jewish sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you my experience of how I found this web site. I found the Texe Marrs article about Alexander Solzhenitsyn&#8217;s book &#8220;Together for Two Hundred Years&#8221;. I thought it strange that I never heard of this book by this world famous author.</p>
<p>So I put in Google &#8220;Together for Two Hundred Years&#8221; in quotes. I received a grand total of 20 results. About 5 were actual references of the book - like the BBC web site. The rest were accidental finds of the phrase. There were no anti-Jewish sites listed.</p>
<p>I still thought it strange that this was all the references in the entire world, so I went to Yahoo search and tried the same thing. There were 266 results, with no shortage of anti-Jewish sites. Yahoo also gave the helpful suggestion to search for &#8220;aleksandr solzhenitsyn together for two hundred years&#8221;. Your site was number 15 on the list.</p>
<p>Besides, if you search on Google containing the word &#8220;Jew&#8221; you get back this page:<br />
<a href='http://www.google.com/explanation.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.google.com/explanation.html</a></p>
<p>Google is definitely filtering anti-Jewish sites.
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		<title>by: TJH</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-32130</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 20:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another search engine to consider: Altavista: http://www.altavista.com/

Once upon a blue moon ago, Altavista was the king of search engines. Let's start to make the google phenom a flash in the pan by switching back.

We also need to develop a different verb than "google it." Need help here. Maybe:
"hoo it" (for Yahoo)
"vist'it" (for Altavista)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another search engine to consider: Altavista: <a href='http://www.altavista.com/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.altavista.com/</a></p>
<p>Once upon a blue moon ago, Altavista was the king of search engines. Let&#8217;s start to make the google phenom a flash in the pan by switching back.</p>
<p>We also need to develop a different verb than &#8220;google it.&#8221; Need help here. Maybe:<br />
&#8220;hoo it&#8221; (for Yahoo)<br />
&#8220;vist&#8217;it&#8221; (for Altavista)
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		<title>by: Fr. John</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-30102</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>FOr what it is worth, here's &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://spiritwaterblood.com/index.php/comments/154/" rel="nofollow"&gt;spiritwaterblood&lt;/a&gt;'s comment, and the link to James Edward's 'political cesspool' take on Google...

I think it touches on all points under discussion.

"Excellent work by our friend James here in noticing that, though Google hates Jesus Christ, it loves fecal weddings. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the company being created by two Jews, because that would be anti-Semitic."

The link is to &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2008/06/24/google-hates-christmas-but-loves-gay-marriage/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this URL&lt;/a&gt;.

End of Story. I use Scroogle...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOr what it is worth, here&#8217;s <a rel="nofollow" href="http://spiritwaterblood.com/index.php/comments/154/" rel="nofollow">spiritwaterblood</a>&#8217;s comment, and the link to James Edward&#8217;s &#8216;political cesspool&#8217; take on Google&#8230;</p>
<p>I think it touches on all points under discussion.</p>
<p>&#8220;Excellent work by our friend James here in noticing that, though Google hates Jesus Christ, it loves fecal weddings. I’m sure it has nothing to do with the company being created by two Jews, because that would be anti-Semitic.&#8221;</p>
<p>The link is to <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/jamesedwards/2008/06/24/google-hates-christmas-but-loves-gay-marriage/" rel="nofollow">this URL</a>.</p>
<p>End of Story. I use Scroogle&#8230;
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		<title>by: ElizaF</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-30031</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Arthur R. Butz's book still does appear on Amazon.</description>
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		<title>by: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-30029</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:41:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Getting back to the main thesis, Michael Hoffman is having problems with google as well.  Hoffman, for those not acquainted with his works, has just finished a 1000 page book on judaism.  Here is what he says about google and Amazon:

"After Amazon pre-ordered eleven copies of the book, the author was notified on August 3 by David Zapolsky, Vice President and Associate General Counsel at Amazon.com, that Amazon "will not continue distributing the book."

"Though it may have been a coincidence, in roughly the same time frame, Google Inc. e-mailed Hoffman to inform him that his "On the Contrary" blog, hosted by Google since 2006, was set to be permanently deleted. Google accused Hoffman of running a "spam" blog, in spite of the fact that Hoffman has written more than 500 original columns for the blog over the course of the nearly two years that Google has hosted "On the Contrary." (Google has since retracted its threat). In 2006 Google Video banned two of Hoffman's videos, "World War II Revisionists Charles Provan" and 'Deborah Lipstadt, Amalek and David Irving.'"

(For more on Hoffman, see &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.revisionisthistory.org/index.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.  Hoffman also wrote, &lt;em&gt;Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare&lt;/em&gt;, a fascinating book that challenges the way most look at the world.)

On a larger point, the in's and out's of this debate are not very interesting to me.  Since seeing through the jews a few years back, I never give them the benefit of the doubt.  Where they can lie, cheat and steal, they will.  Or at least will do so enough of the time that one need not bother to look at all of the evidence.  (See my article on &lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://butler-harris.org/archives/249" rel="nofollow"&gt;stereotypes&lt;/a&gt; for a general defense of this way of making judgments about the world.)

This stereotype of jews did not come about due to some native &lt;em&gt;anti-semitism&lt;/em&gt; in me (to use a vacuous jewish term).  It came from observing the world, reading history, studying Talmudism, and listening to my Christian fathers.  This provides my major premise.  When somebody gives me a minor premise to an argument that jews are involved in this or that perfidious activity, my attitude is "probably true, probably true."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting back to the main thesis, Michael Hoffman is having problems with google as well.  Hoffman, for those not acquainted with his works, has just finished a 1000 page book on judaism.  Here is what he says about google and Amazon:</p>
<p>&#8220;After Amazon pre-ordered eleven copies of the book, the author was notified on August 3 by David Zapolsky, Vice President and Associate General Counsel at Amazon.com, that Amazon &#8220;will not continue distributing the book.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Though it may have been a coincidence, in roughly the same time frame, Google Inc. e-mailed Hoffman to inform him that his &#8220;On the Contrary&#8221; blog, hosted by Google since 2006, was set to be permanently deleted. Google accused Hoffman of running a &#8220;spam&#8221; blog, in spite of the fact that Hoffman has written more than 500 original columns for the blog over the course of the nearly two years that Google has hosted &#8220;On the Contrary.&#8221; (Google has since retracted its threat). In 2006 Google Video banned two of Hoffman&#8217;s videos, &#8220;World War II Revisionists Charles Provan&#8221; and &#8216;Deborah Lipstadt, Amalek and David Irving.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>(For more on Hoffman, see <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.revisionisthistory.org/index.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.  Hoffman also wrote, <em>Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare</em>, a fascinating book that challenges the way most look at the world.)</p>
<p>On a larger point, the in&#8217;s and out&#8217;s of this debate are not very interesting to me.  Since seeing through the jews a few years back, I never give them the benefit of the doubt.  Where they can lie, cheat and steal, they will.  Or at least will do so enough of the time that one need not bother to look at all of the evidence.  (See my article on <a rel="nofollow" href="http://butler-harris.org/archives/249" rel="nofollow">stereotypes</a> for a general defense of this way of making judgments about the world.)</p>
<p>This stereotype of jews did not come about due to some native <em>anti-semitism</em> in me (to use a vacuous jewish term).  It came from observing the world, reading history, studying Talmudism, and listening to my Christian fathers.  This provides my major premise.  When somebody gives me a minor premise to an argument that jews are involved in this or that perfidious activity, my attitude is &#8220;probably true, probably true.&#8221;
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		<title>by: ElizaF</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-30026</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I see what you are saying. What I am saying is something like this:
Mr. RC is a practicing Catholic. He does not trust in Christ for salvation (or maybe he does; we don't know). However, he is under the influence of RC teaching (maybe from childhood, maybe from other RC friends, maybe from RC culture which does thrive here and elsewhere). Maybe somebody like Mel Gibson. So we see many personal failings, and when he comes to make a movie, he still violates the 2nd commandment, but we don't see  some of the grosser violations of the commandments we might get from someone who is by upbringing, friendship, and subculture immersed in secularism. Dr. RC may not trust in Christ either, but she will not do abortions--she's been inoculated against abortion from her church, family, and friends. Ditto for Muslims, Jehovah's witnesses, Mormons, Irish &#38; Hispanics(being primarily RCs). 

Are all great sins of the day found as equally among "Christians" as all the others? I agree the Church is a mixed multitude, but I do think that the use of the law to restrain sin even prevails among unbelieving, yet professing "Christians". So I think of Ted Haggard, for example, but I don't think there are tons of Ted Haggards out there. Maybe I'm wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you are saying. What I am saying is something like this:<br />
Mr. RC is a practicing Catholic. He does not trust in Christ for salvation (or maybe he does; we don&#8217;t know). However, he is under the influence of RC teaching (maybe from childhood, maybe from other RC friends, maybe from RC culture which does thrive here and elsewhere). Maybe somebody like Mel Gibson. So we see many personal failings, and when he comes to make a movie, he still violates the 2nd commandment, but we don&#8217;t see  some of the grosser violations of the commandments we might get from someone who is by upbringing, friendship, and subculture immersed in secularism. Dr. RC may not trust in Christ either, but she will not do abortions&#8211;she&#8217;s been inoculated against abortion from her church, family, and friends. Ditto for Muslims, Jehovah&#8217;s witnesses, Mormons, Irish &amp; Hispanics(being primarily RCs). </p>
<p>Are all great sins of the day found as equally among &#8220;Christians&#8221; as all the others? I agree the Church is a mixed multitude, but I do think that the use of the law to restrain sin even prevails among unbelieving, yet professing &#8220;Christians&#8221;. So I think of Ted Haggard, for example, but I don&#8217;t think there are tons of Ted Haggards out there. Maybe I&#8217;m wrong.
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		<title>by: Jim</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-30024</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Of course I don't believe they hold to the OT.  If they did that, they would be Christians.  I never put them in some camp other than secular.  Which is why I don't really understand this web site.  It does seem to.  Sort of a reverse of the Dispensational teaching.  Instead of being God's special "chosen," they are the devils special "chosen."  Almost aliens.  Out to get us.  Whoever "us" is.  And I think it is dangerous to accuse any subgroup of not adhering to a ten-commandment style moral code.  Even if you think it may be true.  Secular people of all sub-groups only regard the 10 as the 10 Great Suggestions.  When push comes to shove, the 10 are thrown out the window.  And that's all of us.  That's why we need a savior.  That's why all the great sins of the day, abortion, adultery, etc., are found as equally among "Christians" as all the others.  

The Roman Catholics DO want to take over the world.  Study their history.  Oh, and so do the Muslims.  And the Jehovahs, and the Mormons.  But we know Who actually has.  Please see #17, para. #3 above.

You (all of you) need to make more friends with Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course I don&#8217;t believe they hold to the OT.  If they did that, they would be Christians.  I never put them in some camp other than secular.  Which is why I don&#8217;t really understand this web site.  It does seem to.  Sort of a reverse of the Dispensational teaching.  Instead of being God&#8217;s special &#8220;chosen,&#8221; they are the devils special &#8220;chosen.&#8221;  Almost aliens.  Out to get us.  Whoever &#8220;us&#8221; is.  And I think it is dangerous to accuse any subgroup of not adhering to a ten-commandment style moral code.  Even if you think it may be true.  Secular people of all sub-groups only regard the 10 as the 10 Great Suggestions.  When push comes to shove, the 10 are thrown out the window.  And that&#8217;s all of us.  That&#8217;s why we need a savior.  That&#8217;s why all the great sins of the day, abortion, adultery, etc., are found as equally among &#8220;Christians&#8221; as all the others.  </p>
<p>The Roman Catholics DO want to take over the world.  Study their history.  Oh, and so do the Muslims.  And the Jehovahs, and the Mormons.  But we know Who actually has.  Please see #17, para. #3 above.</p>
<p>You (all of you) need to make more friends with Jews.
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		<title>by: ElizaF</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-30019</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 11:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim (#36, para #2):
Some wise person once told me this, which I had never really considered before: Jewish people today are overwhelmingly secular. I was naive enough to believe they held to the OT. They do not. If anything, they hold to the Talmud. Unlike RCs, or Jehovah Witnesses, or Hispanics, or Irish, or Mormons, or Arabs, they do not (in general, which is the only way to speak at this point) hold to a (Ten Commandment-style) moral code. If anything goes, can you see where this leads--basically anywhere. Yes, this will include a Salk or Sabin, but also an immoral Hollywood producer or an abortionist. There is nothing in their DNA that does this. They, too, can embrace the Savior, and many do, praise God for that. As our culture becomes more and more post-Christian, we'll find more and more people of all stripes who have abandoned the moral code we find in Scripture. The spiral downward will intensify. Does this all make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim (#36, para #2):<br />
Some wise person once told me this, which I had never really considered before: Jewish people today are overwhelmingly secular. I was naive enough to believe they held to the OT. They do not. If anything, they hold to the Talmud. Unlike RCs, or Jehovah Witnesses, or Hispanics, or Irish, or Mormons, or Arabs, they do not (in general, which is the only way to speak at this point) hold to a (Ten Commandment-style) moral code. If anything goes, can you see where this leads&#8211;basically anywhere. Yes, this will include a Salk or Sabin, but also an immoral Hollywood producer or an abortionist. There is nothing in their DNA that does this. They, too, can embrace the Savior, and many do, praise God for that. As our culture becomes more and more post-Christian, we&#8217;ll find more and more people of all stripes who have abandoned the moral code we find in Scripture. The spiral downward will intensify. Does this all make sense?
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		<title>by: Jim</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-29900</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>First, I would like hard evidence that your site is censured and not circumstantial.  It is my prerogative to remain skeptical as long as such is not the case.  I also reserve the right not to change my convictions simply because I am shouted down with arguments which are more informed than I am OR care to be.  I don't intend to research to the  bottom every issue on which I have an opinion.  No one does or can do that.  Including you, I might add.  

I have also found that most of my friends to which I refer your web site surf around a little and, find it offensive and lose interest.  One man, who is very thoughtful, said he couldn't decide whether the things you say are your real beliefs, or said only to be provocative.  I didn't dare tell him that I am convinced that all the race baiting, as most people perceive it, and Jew bashing, as most people perceive it, were indeed your real beliefs.  

So maybe Google does censor anti-Jewish sites.  What do you expect to do about it other than add it to your closet of evil things the evil Jews do?  How did Google get to be so important in the first place?  Where is the Christian Google?  Because Christians don't know how to play the market the way Jews do?  If Google dominates the field, they must be doing something right.  If it doesn't, then why are you so upset at them?  The vast majority of people who use Google have no idea that it is a conspiratorial attempt on the part of a Turkish tribe to take over the host country (the world).  I certainly didn't.  I use it because I like its format better than others.  And, I never said what they are doing is "praise-worthy" in the godly sense.  Only in the market sense.  You yourself acknowledge that they are successful in taking over the institutions of power and influence so I guess you are also saying they are praise worthy.

Again, the substance of your post seems to be that we, `Americans, I guess (?), are against them, the Jew, or at least anyone who asks, "Is it good for the Jew."  "We," a vast amalgam and mixture of descendants and new tribes whenever a mixed marriage occurs, such as in our family, must resist "Them," these Jews who out to take our wealth and subvert us.  I am still convinced that if Christians were as smart as the Jews who are at the top of the heap in communications, and other institutions, and worked just as hard, that Christians would be there too.

Take our Reformed Churches, including mine and yours.  Especially mine and yours.  Is your community being changed because the leaders and movers in your church are working hard to change it?   Are your deacons impacting the down and out so much that, as happened in our church one time, a non-Christian non-churched social worker was over heard to say to some "ward of the street" so to speak, "go to Reformed Pres. Church of Ephrata.  They can help you."   Are we doing all that we could?  Of course not.  Right now a main focus of our ministry is to the mentally and physically handicapped.  There is no one in our church who is capable of recapturing Yale, or Newsweek, or Google.  

I don't know who "our folk" are.  My patriarch was John Wesley, but now is John Calvin.  Noah is the patriarch of all of us.  Unless you know otherwise.  It seems like it is my duty to defend my people against any antichrist wherever it is found, Jewish or otherwise.  If you want to focus on Jews, fine, why not?  I had a good many for customers.  Some were outstanding customers, others horrible.  Just like all the non-Christians.  And Christians, in fact, now that I think about it.  I had horrible Christians for customers.  They probably thought the same of me.  

So what do we do to defend ourselves against the onslaught?  How about turning off the TV?  I did that decades ago.  I don't subscribe to any of the Jewish rags.  I don't vote for Republican or Democratic presidents.  Stop buying Kosher foods or Maxwell House coffee?  Do you have any other suggestions?  My dentist is a lapsed Roman Catholic.  My horological supplier is an attending RC.  My neighbor is somewhere in between.  

Maybe Gary North is right. 

I'm sorry about the censorship of your web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I would like hard evidence that your site is censured and not circumstantial.  It is my prerogative to remain skeptical as long as such is not the case.  I also reserve the right not to change my convictions simply because I am shouted down with arguments which are more informed than I am OR care to be.  I don&#8217;t intend to research to the  bottom every issue on which I have an opinion.  No one does or can do that.  Including you, I might add.  </p>
<p>I have also found that most of my friends to which I refer your web site surf around a little and, find it offensive and lose interest.  One man, who is very thoughtful, said he couldn&#8217;t decide whether the things you say are your real beliefs, or said only to be provocative.  I didn&#8217;t dare tell him that I am convinced that all the race baiting, as most people perceive it, and Jew bashing, as most people perceive it, were indeed your real beliefs.  </p>
<p>So maybe Google does censor anti-Jewish sites.  What do you expect to do about it other than add it to your closet of evil things the evil Jews do?  How did Google get to be so important in the first place?  Where is the Christian Google?  Because Christians don&#8217;t know how to play the market the way Jews do?  If Google dominates the field, they must be doing something right.  If it doesn&#8217;t, then why are you so upset at them?  The vast majority of people who use Google have no idea that it is a conspiratorial attempt on the part of a Turkish tribe to take over the host country (the world).  I certainly didn&#8217;t.  I use it because I like its format better than others.  And, I never said what they are doing is &#8220;praise-worthy&#8221; in the godly sense.  Only in the market sense.  You yourself acknowledge that they are successful in taking over the institutions of power and influence so I guess you are also saying they are praise worthy.</p>
<p>Again, the substance of your post seems to be that we, `Americans, I guess (?), are against them, the Jew, or at least anyone who asks, &#8220;Is it good for the Jew.&#8221;  &#8220;We,&#8221; a vast amalgam and mixture of descendants and new tribes whenever a mixed marriage occurs, such as in our family, must resist &#8220;Them,&#8221; these Jews who out to take our wealth and subvert us.  I am still convinced that if Christians were as smart as the Jews who are at the top of the heap in communications, and other institutions, and worked just as hard, that Christians would be there too.</p>
<p>Take our Reformed Churches, including mine and yours.  Especially mine and yours.  Is your community being changed because the leaders and movers in your church are working hard to change it?   Are your deacons impacting the down and out so much that, as happened in our church one time, a non-Christian non-churched social worker was over heard to say to some &#8220;ward of the street&#8221; so to speak, &#8220;go to Reformed Pres. Church of Ephrata.  They can help you.&#8221;   Are we doing all that we could?  Of course not.  Right now a main focus of our ministry is to the mentally and physically handicapped.  There is no one in our church who is capable of recapturing Yale, or Newsweek, or Google.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know who &#8220;our folk&#8221; are.  My patriarch was John Wesley, but now is John Calvin.  Noah is the patriarch of all of us.  Unless you know otherwise.  It seems like it is my duty to defend my people against any antichrist wherever it is found, Jewish or otherwise.  If you want to focus on Jews, fine, why not?  I had a good many for customers.  Some were outstanding customers, others horrible.  Just like all the non-Christians.  And Christians, in fact, now that I think about it.  I had horrible Christians for customers.  They probably thought the same of me.  </p>
<p>So what do we do to defend ourselves against the onslaught?  How about turning off the TV?  I did that decades ago.  I don&#8217;t subscribe to any of the Jewish rags.  I don&#8217;t vote for Republican or Democratic presidents.  Stop buying Kosher foods or Maxwell House coffee?  Do you have any other suggestions?  My dentist is a lapsed Roman Catholic.  My horological supplier is an attending RC.  My neighbor is somewhere in between.  </p>
<p>Maybe Gary North is right. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry about the censorship of your web site.
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		<title>by: TJH</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/357#comment-29889</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:20:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Jim -- first, let's review the contour of this discussion. Notice how your argument has shifted. First, it was to poo-poo jewish domination of media as nutty conspiracy theory. Then when evidence is presented, you say "yeah but that only makes them praise-worthy"! Likewise, at first you (and Seth) thought there were all kinds of logical explanations for why First Word would stop being referred by google on June 1, 2008. From the deafening silence, I think you have conceded that I have shown those excuses are empty. So in short, it seems like the main burden of my post remains established. Now, we are going on a digression -- a good digression, but still a digression -- on (1) whether "what Jews are doing is despicable" and (2) what should Christians' response be.

We first must define what a jew is: a member of a substantially Turkish tribe that follows a variety of worldviews ranging from occult Kabbalah to secular humanism, to -- well pretty much anything EXCEPT Christianity. But regardless of which demonic religion is followed, all are taught from a very young age to ask, of any public question, "is it good for the jews?" The common source book of all the branches, the Talmud, instructs that ordinary rules of morality do not apply in interactions with the "goyim." Historically, for thirteen hundred years, this tribe of Turks (and even hundreds of years before that, before the Turkish influx) does not assimilate in any host country, but begins the well-practiced craft of extracting wealth from the locals and subverting what is dear to them, until inevitably the hosts get sick of it and boot them out, whereupon they take their gold and move on to the next host.

Yes, I think that for a nomadic people to seek to take over the institutions of power and influence of their host nation for the purpose of subverting and exploiting that people for their own gain is despicable. Even if, at every step, strict legality is followed. (Of course on that note, another branch of the Tribe is "seeing to" the legalities, through domination of the law schools, legal profession, judgeships, and suits brought by ADL and ACLU.)

Fundamentally, however, the key question for us is not whether the jewish encroachment on our society (I haven't mentioned the pornography, blasphemous and demoralizing movies, international banking, spying, and control of foreign policy through harrassment, badgering, threats and money) is "despicable." The question is, do we not have the right and duty to stand up and resist. As you said, "when Christians do great things ... then let it go to pagans, [they] have no one to blame but themselves." Exactly. So let's rise up and resist. That's what we are doing. But for some reason, you want to resist the resistance. Perhaps that is because you take the libertarian solution.

Most conservative Christian Americans see the problem but think that libertarian competition plus evangelism is the answer. "We should strive to take our rightful place in Hollywood, in the media" etc etc. "Is there a problem with pornography? Then we should make such great movies that no one wants to watch pornography, and in parallel convert the pornographers to Christ." Etc.

That used to be my view as well. In our treatment of the subject on this blog, you are seeing the living process of our reasoning our way out of that "solution."

History is the history of peoples. Nations are common descendants of a patriarch. That is what the Bible teaches, and what we see when we study history. Nations are not, contrary to the jewish agit-prop that most Americans have swallowed lock stock and barrel the last 40 years (but which of course is not supposed to apply to the jews themselves), simply "the collection of people residing within borders that are drawn on a map." Once this is realized, then it follows that the leaders of the folk must drive out influences that they see to be harmful for their people. And nothing should be more obvious than that the jewish infiltration of our institutions is harmful to our people. Awaken, goy! Fight for the safety and integrity of your great-grandchildren!

Now as to the question of evangelism. The insight I propose here is that we are still members of an earthly tribe after we are translated to the city of God. Luther saw this. We used to chuckle at his exposition of the Sermon on the Mount -- that if someone is robbing you JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, then give him your cloak as well; but if he is just robbing you because he is a robber, then defend yourself. Surely something like this is a necessary distinction, however. When Christians reacted to Pearl Harbor, they didn't say, "let's praise them for their great stealth and technological achievements, and invite the poor dears over for tea so we can evangelize them." No, they supported a war of resistance. (I'm leaving out that the Japanese were manipulated and the US was probably at fault -- it's just an illustration.) This is the distinction to keep in mind. Evangelize as opportunity comes -- but also rise up and defend your people. Here we are dealing with an enemy far more destructive than Pearl Harbor.

This is the fallacy of Gary North's Christian libertarianism. It presupposes that everyone is just a bare individual thrown into the great melting pot. It neglects the fact that we are a folk with obligations to watch over protect and defend that folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8212; first, let&#8217;s review the contour of this discussion. Notice how your argument has shifted. First, it was to poo-poo jewish domination of media as nutty conspiracy theory. Then when evidence is presented, you say &#8220;yeah but that only makes them praise-worthy&#8221;! Likewise, at first you (and Seth) thought there were all kinds of logical explanations for why First Word would stop being referred by google on June 1, 2008. From the deafening silence, I think you have conceded that I have shown those excuses are empty. So in short, it seems like the main burden of my post remains established. Now, we are going on a digression &#8212; a good digression, but still a digression &#8212; on (1) whether &#8220;what Jews are doing is despicable&#8221; and (2) what should Christians&#8217; response be.</p>
<p>We first must define what a jew is: a member of a substantially Turkish tribe that follows a variety of worldviews ranging from occult Kabbalah to secular humanism, to &#8212; well pretty much anything EXCEPT Christianity. But regardless of which demonic religion is followed, all are taught from a very young age to ask, of any public question, &#8220;is it good for the jews?&#8221; The common source book of all the branches, the Talmud, instructs that ordinary rules of morality do not apply in interactions with the &#8220;goyim.&#8221; Historically, for thirteen hundred years, this tribe of Turks (and even hundreds of years before that, before the Turkish influx) does not assimilate in any host country, but begins the well-practiced craft of extracting wealth from the locals and subverting what is dear to them, until inevitably the hosts get sick of it and boot them out, whereupon they take their gold and move on to the next host.</p>
<p>Yes, I think that for a nomadic people to seek to take over the institutions of power and influence of their host nation for the purpose of subverting and exploiting that people for their own gain is despicable. Even if, at every step, strict legality is followed. (Of course on that note, another branch of the Tribe is &#8220;seeing to&#8221; the legalities, through domination of the law schools, legal profession, judgeships, and suits brought by ADL and ACLU.)</p>
<p>Fundamentally, however, the key question for us is not whether the jewish encroachment on our society (I haven&#8217;t mentioned the pornography, blasphemous and demoralizing movies, international banking, spying, and control of foreign policy through harrassment, badgering, threats and money) is &#8220;despicable.&#8221; The question is, do we not have the right and duty to stand up and resist. As you said, &#8220;when Christians do great things &#8230; then let it go to pagans, [they] have no one to blame but themselves.&#8221; Exactly. So let&#8217;s rise up and resist. That&#8217;s what we are doing. But for some reason, you want to resist the resistance. Perhaps that is because you take the libertarian solution.</p>
<p>Most conservative Christian Americans see the problem but think that libertarian competition plus evangelism is the answer. &#8220;We should strive to take our rightful place in Hollywood, in the media&#8221; etc etc. &#8220;Is there a problem with pornography? Then we should make such great movies that no one wants to watch pornography, and in parallel convert the pornographers to Christ.&#8221; Etc.</p>
<p>That used to be my view as well. In our treatment of the subject on this blog, you are seeing the living process of our reasoning our way out of that &#8220;solution.&#8221;</p>
<p>History is the history of peoples. Nations are common descendants of a patriarch. That is what the Bible teaches, and what we see when we study history. Nations are not, contrary to the jewish agit-prop that most Americans have swallowed lock stock and barrel the last 40 years (but which of course is not supposed to apply to the jews themselves), simply &#8220;the collection of people residing within borders that are drawn on a map.&#8221; Once this is realized, then it follows that the leaders of the folk must drive out influences that they see to be harmful for their people. And nothing should be more obvious than that the jewish infiltration of our institutions is harmful to our people. Awaken, goy! Fight for the safety and integrity of your great-grandchildren!</p>
<p>Now as to the question of evangelism. The insight I propose here is that we are still members of an earthly tribe after we are translated to the city of God. Luther saw this. We used to chuckle at his exposition of the Sermon on the Mount &#8212; that if someone is robbing you JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN, then give him your cloak as well; but if he is just robbing you because he is a robber, then defend yourself. Surely something like this is a necessary distinction, however. When Christians reacted to Pearl Harbor, they didn&#8217;t say, &#8220;let&#8217;s praise them for their great stealth and technological achievements, and invite the poor dears over for tea so we can evangelize them.&#8221; No, they supported a war of resistance. (I&#8217;m leaving out that the Japanese were manipulated and the US was probably at fault &#8212; it&#8217;s just an illustration.) This is the distinction to keep in mind. Evangelize as opportunity comes &#8212; but also rise up and defend your people. Here we are dealing with an enemy far more destructive than Pearl Harbor.</p>
<p>This is the fallacy of Gary North&#8217;s Christian libertarianism. It presupposes that everyone is just a bare individual thrown into the great melting pot. It neglects the fact that we are a folk with obligations to watch over protect and defend that folk.
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