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	<title>Comments on: An Experiment in Autobiography &#8212; Just in Case You Care</title>
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		<title>by: MRB</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/51#comment-148</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2006 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Razzendahcuben - Yes, many points call for elaboration.  As time go by, Tim and I will spell things out in more detail.  For now, it may be helpful to consider agrarianism as an aesthetic, an approach to life that puts beauty on the same level as goodness and truth.

I have nothing at all against science, if it is understood as man's study of God's handiwork.  Scientism and the unchecked drive for technological "advancement" is what I reject.  The Faustian drive for knowledge and through knowledge power is satanic.  Faust's deal with the devil only cut off the possibility of his repentence.  He had already lost his soul.  To put this in a slogan, Chemistry is from God, alchemy is from the devil.

As for your comment on the stars, I think there is an equivocation on 'merely.'  By it I mean that the Scientific Imperium views the stars as nothing more than gaseous sheres.  You infer from this that I think there is nothing wonderful or edifying from this discovery.  This is not the case.  My view is rather, that this is not the only thing to say about the stars and is not even the most important thing about them.

Stick with us and our view on agrarianism will become more fully articulated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razzendahcuben - Yes, many points call for elaboration.  As time go by, Tim and I will spell things out in more detail.  For now, it may be helpful to consider agrarianism as an aesthetic, an approach to life that puts beauty on the same level as goodness and truth.</p>
<p>I have nothing at all against science, if it is understood as man&#8217;s study of God&#8217;s handiwork.  Scientism and the unchecked drive for technological &#8220;advancement&#8221; is what I reject.  The Faustian drive for knowledge and through knowledge power is satanic.  Faust&#8217;s deal with the devil only cut off the possibility of his repentence.  He had already lost his soul.  To put this in a slogan, Chemistry is from God, alchemy is from the devil.</p>
<p>As for your comment on the stars, I think there is an equivocation on &#8216;merely.&#8217;  By it I mean that the Scientific Imperium views the stars as nothing more than gaseous sheres.  You infer from this that I think there is nothing wonderful or edifying from this discovery.  This is not the case.  My view is rather, that this is not the only thing to say about the stars and is not even the most important thing about them.</p>
<p>Stick with us and our view on agrarianism will become more fully articulated.
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		<title>by: razzendahcuben</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/51#comment-49</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:31:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://butler-harris.org/archives/51#comment-49</guid>
					<description>A very good article with many great points, but I find your charges against technology slightly uneven. Allow me to explain. (I recognize that I'm not as knowledgable as you in these matters, but here are some thoughts.)

How consistently do you live out agrarianism? If your child is deathly sick or injured, do you give him herbal remedies as he dies, or do you pull out your cell phone to call the hospital that will immediately send an ambulance to transport your child back to the hospital where he can receive excellent health treatment?

When you went to Living Hope OPC from California, did you walk? Ride a horse? How did you get there?

When payday rolls around, does Christ's college leave a sack of millet at your door or do you electronically deposit your currency in a bank? (Which you can access day or night through ATM's or even online!)

And how can you possibly complain about the evils of modern communication when you most certainly communicate over the internet through this blog?!

Maybe you've thrown the baby out with the bathwater? Its very easy to enjoy the "old way" when you have the "new way" sitting right next to you for those times when it comes in handy. I wouldn't mind living more of an agrarian lifestyle, but does this mean a total abandonment of technology? Where do you draw the line? Is the wheelbarrow any less technological than the Space shuttle? No, really? Does one operate under "simple" natural law and the other under "evil, inhuman, modern" natural law?

Some people do appreciate science and technology more than, say, cultivating a garden. People are different. You write that the stars are "merely gaseous spheres that ... cause fusion of hydrogen atoms producing helium, heat and light ..." Sir, there is NOTHING "mere" about that! That is God's handiwork. As one who loves science, that makes me smile! It makes me praise God and say, indeed, the heavens do declare the glory of God! I am so glad that God has made our universe so complex and beautiful. It is a great playground for the scientist and engineer.

In sum, I gleaned many great points from your article about the benefits of simple living, but I do not see this as an antithesis to science and technology.

"It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;
       to search out a matter is the glory of kings."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good article with many great points, but I find your charges against technology slightly uneven. Allow me to explain. (I recognize that I&#8217;m not as knowledgable as you in these matters, but here are some thoughts.)</p>
<p>How consistently do you live out agrarianism? If your child is deathly sick or injured, do you give him herbal remedies as he dies, or do you pull out your cell phone to call the hospital that will immediately send an ambulance to transport your child back to the hospital where he can receive excellent health treatment?</p>
<p>When you went to Living Hope OPC from California, did you walk? Ride a horse? How did you get there?</p>
<p>When payday rolls around, does Christ&#8217;s college leave a sack of millet at your door or do you electronically deposit your currency in a bank? (Which you can access day or night through ATM&#8217;s or even online!)</p>
<p>And how can you possibly complain about the evils of modern communication when you most certainly communicate over the internet through this blog?!</p>
<p>Maybe you&#8217;ve thrown the baby out with the bathwater? Its very easy to enjoy the &#8220;old way&#8221; when you have the &#8220;new way&#8221; sitting right next to you for those times when it comes in handy. I wouldn&#8217;t mind living more of an agrarian lifestyle, but does this mean a total abandonment of technology? Where do you draw the line? Is the wheelbarrow any less technological than the Space shuttle? No, really? Does one operate under &#8220;simple&#8221; natural law and the other under &#8220;evil, inhuman, modern&#8221; natural law?</p>
<p>Some people do appreciate science and technology more than, say, cultivating a garden. People are different. You write that the stars are &#8220;merely gaseous spheres that &#8230; cause fusion of hydrogen atoms producing helium, heat and light &#8230;&#8221; Sir, there is NOTHING &#8220;mere&#8221; about that! That is God&#8217;s handiwork. As one who loves science, that makes me smile! It makes me praise God and say, indeed, the heavens do declare the glory of God! I am so glad that God has made our universe so complex and beautiful. It is a great playground for the scientist and engineer.</p>
<p>In sum, I gleaned many great points from your article about the benefits of simple living, but I do not see this as an antithesis to science and technology.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the glory of God to conceal a matter;<br />
       to search out a matter is the glory of kings.&#8221;
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		<title>by: OSP</title>
		<link>http://butler-harris.org/archives/51#comment-39</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 18:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Very well put, especially the part concerning technology and nature.  Since the Industrial Revolution, technology has ceased to serve man and man began to serve technology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well put, especially the part concerning technology and nature.  Since the Industrial Revolution, technology has ceased to serve man and man began to serve technology.
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